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The ability to make small talk is a valuable skill that many executives seem oblivious to. It helps break barriers between people, aids bonding and can yield insights that can’t be obtained any other way. In other words, it can pay off in spades.
About a decade ago, when the telecom sector in India was in the chokehold of a battle between operators, the regulator and the government, I was tasked with travelling often to the capital to cover the industry.
For a couple of months, about every twice a week, I would visit a government office. Like other telecom reporters, I was hoping to get a scoop. I did get one, but among the things I am grateful for besides my own abilities and benevolent officers, I am indebted to a particular liftman who was responsible for opening the doors of the small lift that carried ministers and top corporate bosses of the telecom sector.
He knew exactly which CEO would come at what time, since company folks would ask him to be ready to open the doors with a snap. The lift barely held three people, but during that time, it was the only way up for CXOs of any importance when they visited ministers or senior government officials.
He spotted me one day and told me that top bosses of the warring telecom firms were in the building, which was why I was not allowed on the floor where the meeting was being held. I stayed put in the building, met the unpleasantly surprised executives when they left and got one of my biggest stories that day.
Our equation was built over a few minutes of talk across many days about his working hours, the “important” people he ferried up and down the floors, how he should be given a small chair to sit on inside the lift instead of having to stand for hours, etc. It made me realize that one skill I could hone further—and would always come in handy—was that of making ‘small talk.’
Small talk rarely gets its due. It is often looked down upon for being casual and unbefitting of a leader. There are no pearls of wisdom exchanged when people spend a few minutes engaged in small talk. Rarely will there be revelations or lessons that will reshape one’s outlook. But it should nevertheless be taught in business schools as an important tool that executives must possess.
There is a good reason for this. For a short span of time, a person comfortable with small talk can make another person feel at ease or heard. That accommodation and acknowledgement goes a long way.
In fact, Matt Abrahams, a lecturer in organizational behaviour at the Stanford Graduate School of Business, has a very interesting take on why small talk can be difficult. “What makes it so challenging is the fact that we can’t have a script. We have to just go with what’s happening at the moment. We often think that it is a test for us.”
The pressure to say something smart, important or interesting to the other person can take away the pleasure of an innocuous conversation. Those who can strike up a chat easily may take the first step, but they are also adept at listening, coming up with quips and distilling a conversation enough to make the other person feel more interesting. It is a knack and a hack rolled into one.
Abrahams has detailed why small talk is more than aimless chit-chat or conversation and suggests that it is in fact “a wonderful way of connecting, bonding, learning, and growing.”
What is it about our workplaces that makes people look upon small talk with disdain? Capable CXOs are associated with ‘gravitas’ and are expected to be ‘measured’ in their approach. These senior executives are automatically expected to be ‘rational’ and ‘not impulsive.’ These are all star qualities in any CXO, but none of them is a guarantee of making sound business decisions.
One of the prime advantages of the skill to make small talk is that it breaks barriers between completely different sets of people. It helps make others around feel noticed and included.
A disadvantage that this skill carries is that its outcomes are not measurable. At the end of a scheduled meeting or long-drawn conversation, we expect either takeaways or promises of a follow-up. Small talk, however, does not have the kind of recall value that can be measured.
That, however, may not be why the value of a casual chat that meanders along without an agenda does not rank high on the list of a top executive’s deliverables. It is probably because of neglect.
Yet, tales abound of CEOs who got ideas through informal conversations, be it on market visits or through internal discussions. Even talking about hobbies with colleagues can be valuable.
A major reason why I consider small chat an art is that many leaders in the corporate sector seem much too shy. They are trained to face the wrath of shareholders and a stern board but perhaps feel self-conscious if they spot a group of executives in the corridor.
While walking past without pausing to chat may be tempting, it could appear rude. Perhaps they fear letting out top-level confidential information. Or maybe they do not see it worthy of their time, which may explain the hems and haws that precede an excuse to slip away. Lost opportunities only pile up this way.
The art of small talk, which diplomats and dignitaries have mastered, must get its due credit in the corporate world as well. This form of engagement is an important part of the learning curve of leadership. Even a tiny exchange could have a powerful impact.
The author writes on workplaces and education at Mint.
About the Author
Devina Sengupta
Devina is a journalist and editor who covers workplaces, human resources, education and the consulting sector for Mint. Her reporting focuses on how work is evolving in India, from shifting corporate practices and labour policies to the rise of new career paths in the digital and creator economy.<br><br>She also writes the opinion column Pen Drive, where she offers sharp, accessible insights on workplace culture, leadership, and the broader social impact of economic change. Alongside this, she produces longform stories that explore the human side of work, highlighting real experiences, emerging trends, and underreported voices shaping the future of employment.<br><br>In her editorial role, Devina leads a team covering workplace issues, legal developments, telecom and the fast-growing creator ecosystem. She also hosts The Working Life, a podcast on HR trends in corporate India. Through conversations with industry leaders and experts, she examines topics such as talent management, workplace innovation, and career growth in a rapidly changing professional landscape.

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